The Cyanide Fight

Ok, I understand your desire to keep Montana as clean as possible. What I do not understand is why the “crazy-hippie-environmentalists” jump all over any industry that would bring jobs to Montana. I have family history deeply rooted in the Anaconda-Company mining ordeal. In fact my Croatian great-grandparents were brought here (from the old country) to work the copper smelter. It was an environmental disaster indeed, but it created jobs and helped make Montana what it is today. Yes, Butte got a little screwed and there are some tailings in the Clark Fork, but times have changed and the Cyanide-Heap-Leach mining is far cleaner. Furthermore, we all know that the Montana economy is a joke for a variety of reasons and this would make jobs that are not just grocery baggers at Wal-Mart, so why all of the hysteria. They dont call this the treasure state for nothing man. I truly hope that the case is heard and the mining operation finally gets the nod to work Montana. Believe me, it will happen someday and I will breath a sigh of relief for all of the Montana families helped by more jobs in a better economy.

Gerik you’re stretching things a little bit aren’t you?
I’ve been hearing about poisoned water for the last 8 years, but for some reason nobody has been able to name a victim that ever died in Montana from escaped cyanide. Fear tactics is what it is. Why is our income dead-last in the nation? Because of this attitude. Montana built it’s economy on timber, mining, oil, transportation, and agriculture. Thanks to environmentalists, what do we have left?

Jake,
your ignorance is incredibly amusing. First, I didn’t realize that the Montana economy was a joke. In fact we have fairly strong employment rates compared to most other states, and that’s a fact. Also, mining is so incredibly insignificant in the Montana economy that you can’t really make a strong ecomomic argument for mining as benefical to our economy. Furthermore, it’s an incredibly unsustainable industry and hardly provides any security to it’s workers. Im sure your croation grandparents were screwed as soon as Anaconda decided to pull out.

The major problem with your argument, though, is that the loss of mining in Montana is the fault of environmentalists. Seeing as how your such an economic genius maybe you should look at the operating costs for similar mines in South America and Africa and tell me again that environmentalists are the major culprit.

And Eric, it’s insane to think that we can rely on our traditional industries anymore as being an economic cornerstone. We need to leave the 20th century and place more emphasis on industries that we know will last and provide security for workers. Timber, mining, and oil did provide us with a ton of jobs, but they’re only here for a short time, then pack up after two weeks notice and move to chile.

Jake, if you read the post or understood the issue, you would know that Canyon is seeking payment from the State of Montana. They are not seeking permission to mine, that ship has sailed, they are seeking a giant payola from you and all your taxpaying brethren. Tell me how that is going to create jobs.

Eric, have you ever been to Malta?

The “crazy-hippie-environmentalists” see that this is natural resource extraction on two levels. First the gold then the relatively clean environment that draws people to Montana. Cyanide heap leach may be cleanER now, but clean in gereral? Nope. Besides it’s another case of business on someone elses terms leaving peanuts compared to the millions funneled to out-of-state interests. When the people who run the show don’t give a damn about Montana it’s easy to cut corners and leave us with a mess. Deja vue? Short term solutions to long range problems always fall flat.

I’ve been there many times. The article is tragic, but as the article stated, there is no evidence that the lead poisoning came from a gold mining operation. I’m still waiting for the name of one victim of cyanide poising from a mine in Montana, from 1800 until now.

Eric - apend a week in Pony, Montana.

Eric some facts for this discussion. Fact #1: Cyanide is a poison. Fact #2 Cyanide is the primary chemical reagent in the metallugical process that drives cyande heap leach mining. (ie, cyanide activates and relases heavy metals for extraction and processing) Fact #3 Gold and silver are the primary metals sought by the mining company post reaction. Fact #4 Mountains in Montana contain a great many kinds of ore other than gold and silver.

Here is the problem with your “simple” question Eric, cyanide does not kill people outright. You continue to ask “Tell me when cyanide has poisoned someone in Montana?” When cyanide gets relased into our drinking water in unregulated quantities, it actually breaks down quickly. Cynide heap leach mining does release heavy metals that pollute water in perpetuity. The reason Montanans are against cyanide mining is that the process relases lead, magnesium, arsenic, copper, manganese, cadmium, mercury, et al. Leach pads with their double containment walls, leak detection, and recovery plans have failed time and time again to stop these heavy metal pollutants from entering our water ways.

Your question is absurd, based only on a talking point, with no grounds for being taken seriously. To state that no evidence exists that lead poisoning came from the Zortman-Landusky operation is to deny the chemical and biological facts of digging up a mountain, spraying the rock with cyanide, and measuing dramatic increases in heavy metal content of local water supplies. Cyanide mining pollutes water, without fail. Fish kills, birth defects, cleanup costs, loss of fishing revenue, and human health impacts from untested and untreated drinking water sources. Bonner residents can’t drink from local wells, did you know that? Arco pays for their drinking water, the same way they are paying for the cleanup of the largest superfund site in the nation. From 1800 until now I am willing to bet that thousands of Montanans have suffered long term health impacts from cyanide mining pollution, not just cyanide.

Gerik, you waste your time. You’ll never convince him. Eric, as delightfullly wingnutty as he may be, is a “true believer”. Nothing you point out as fact will convince him that poison isn’t good for Montana working people. That’s okay. The SCOTUS refused the case. Eric will just have to abide with the knowledge that out-of-state corporate rapists do not have sway here … as it should be.

Wulfgar, thanks for your voice here. I know about Tom Keating republicans, I just can’t hardly believe the things they say. Thanks for the SCOTUS update.

I guess that Eric doesn’t have any problem with people drinking poisoned water as long as somebody makes a profit from it.

This mother and grandmother does not want you to ever be in a position to make those decisions for anyone else but yourself because you are a cold hearted leech

I had a chance to interview Tom Keating once. I was unde rthe misimpression that there was significant cranial activity there, that he had thought out his positions. He wasn’t terribly bright, was paranoid, and a black and white thinker.

Tom Keating was correct in one thing he said, when he said that traditionally all wealth in Montana comes from the ground. Be it grass that cattle graze on, oil, coal, silver, gold, or other minerals. Who exactly was drinking poisoned water? I’m still waiting for the name of just 1 victim in the last 200 years. Cyanide is expensive, because that’s where the gold ends up. They really don’t want to lose it! I’d just as soon have some mines doing business with me again as not.

Kinda Gumplike, ain’t ya, Boobs?! My God man but simple is as simple writes! Be that as it may, Forrest, OOPS! excuse the hell outta me, I meant Eric, would you mind telling us just ONE heapleach gold mine that wasn’t a disaster! Name one. Just one. ONLY ONE, mr. boobs. For you see, Forrest, the taxpayers ( that means me) ends up footing the bill for these perpetually festering toxic dead zones. Now, Boobs, if you’re willing to clean up say the Summitvilee Mine in Colorado, which is up to about 250 million taxpayer dollars at last count, then maybe I’ll listen to what you and that other moron keating has to say. For you see, economic development has to make economic sense! It makes NO sense to develop mines that cost more to clean up than the revenue they bring in! So, Eric, RUN eric, RUN! They just might make a movie bout you and keating some day!

Eric - as I read the various comments on this thread, it became painfully obvious that you either don’t read or don’t absorb what is written. You had it explained to you why cyanide used in mining operations was dangerous - that it causes release of other toxins into water supplies. (Go fishing on Fisher Creek, or Soda Butte Creek around Cooke City some time.) Yet you still kept harping away - somebody tell you if anyone has ever been poisoned by cyanide. You’re not paying attention.

Don’t argue with morons or criminals. It’s a waste of time. Insult them, and then move on. Keating is a bald-headed oil and gas industry moron. Boobs is just an idiot. There, that oughta do it. Hell, nobody ever said that you need to debate with criminals and morons.

Larry - you’re sorely lacking in self-awareness.

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